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Q:

There are two wire links from the governor lever. The top wire goes to the end plate on the carb shaft lever. Which lever hole should this wire connect to? 143983800 Craftsman Craftsman engine

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I would suggest retaining a technician, they can be reached at 1/800-469-4663.

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Jeffrey8673 -
Sears Technician
November 14, 2015
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Kenmore Gas Grill Model#148.16154210 Burner Box design flaw 14816154210 Kenmore Gas grill

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Thank you for the inquiry and for using SearsPartsDirect.com. I am sorry to hear that the burner box has rusted on this unit, I know how frustrating rust can be.

I have quite a bit of experience with rust, metal, and body work having worked on antique vehicles and restoring them for many years. There are many variables to having rust occur. Rust will occur more frequently in certain parts of the Country, especially if you live in one of the coastal states, in northern states, or areas with more salt in the atmosphere.

The biggest preventor on keeping rust at bay is general care and maintenance. If the unit is cleaned on a regular basis, rust will not be able to take hold and spread. Depending on where you live and whether you think you are more prone to rust in the area, cleaning may need to occur more frequently. Someone in Virginia would need to perform cleaning more than someone who lived in Arizona. 

The owners manual covers the 'Care and Maintenance Time Table Chart' on page 12. It states that the burner box would need to be cleaned every 120 days with interior grill cleaning products. Every 90 days for the burners, 30 days for the heat tents, etc...

Also, if the grill is stored outdoors, it's highly recommended to keep it covered with a grill cover. That alone won't keep the rust away, but it will help. The key to keeping rust from forming and taking root is the periodic cleanings.

I hope this helps, the rusting really doesn't have much to do with the age of the grill or any manufacturing flaws, it's based upon the salt content and how often the grill has been cleaned and how it's stored/maintained. I know how frustrating it is to have that occur, and sorry for the inconvenience you've had with it.

I've also attached the maintenance chart that you can pull up to see/print if needed. If you can't see the attachment, just click here to see this response on ManageMyLife.com with attachment. 

If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Thanks for using SearsPartsDirect.com. 

 

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Jeff Wallace Sr -
Sears Technician
September 17, 2013
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I have the same grill and I with everyone on this. Sears "Expert" response is really lame. Stop treating us like we are stupid. Regardless of where you live and what maintenance should have been done does not excuse Sears from selling a very defective product. I highly suggest to Sears that they come up with a fix for this, like sending everyone a new, and improved bottom, OR just send us a full refund so that we can buy another grill elsewhere. Honestly, I am getting tired of Sears customer service and lame products that they are selling. I have already vowed never to buy another lawn product from them again. Now I will vow never to buy another grill from them. Sears will soon see themselves out of business if they do not wake up and listen to the customers!! Sears will soon never have my business again with anything......

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Rodger -
October 14, 2013
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I also have a Kenmore Gas Grill Model 148.16154211 that has rotted out in the bottom completely. I bought it in Sept. 2013. My grill before this I had for 8 years and it NEVER rusted out from the bottom! I feel this is a design flaw and Sears should repair or replace at their own cost. I did an online search with this model number and fine there is a general consensous that this a manufacturer flaw. Please respond to this about how to set up this repair at Sears' expense-not mine! Joanna S.

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JOANNA -
March 13, 2015
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I am having a similar problem to the posts above. I am posting my complaint and sears response below. I intend to post this info on social media to draw attention to Sears poor customer service. Hopefully that will get their attention. This is clearly not a unique problem to this model of grill. Charles G Letter to Sears: Dear Sears Customer Service: I am writing to you to get a problem resolved. On May 7, 2013, I purchased a Kenmore grill model # 148-16154211 for $399.99 plus tax (total $425.39). In less than 2 years, the �??firebox�?? (the pan that is below the burners) has completely rotted and disintegrated. The rest of the grill still works. Although now, everything drips right to the floor below. Since it is now �??open�?? under the burners, it will not hold heat when the top lid is closed. A Sears store associate from your Danbury, CT store, Christopher Mosquita, was very helpful in trying to resolve my issue. He contacted the �??parts department�?? but they said the part (# 2818T-2T-2000) was $380.55. It doesn�??t make sense to purchase the part as it costs as much as the grill and there is no guarantee it will not disintegrate again. I have been a Sears customer for a long time having purchased appliances (washing machine, dryer, stove, refrigerator), garage door openers, electric generator, dehumidifiers and countless other purchases. Obviously a loyal customer. The grill situation is very disappointing. I am hoping that Sears will take steps to rectify my grill problem and do what is right and fair to fix the issue. I understand that things wear out but in less than 2 years of use, I find this totally unacceptable. Sears response: Rotting an falling apart of the firebox would not be covered under warranty. You may choose to purchase the fire box @ your expense. There are no "service flashes: in the grill you have.

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Charles -
April 15, 2015
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@Charles. Let me know how it pans out. I paid $500 for my grill and the pan already has holes on the right side after less than two years! I am going to the store where I bought it to ask them what they can do. Sears customer service via phone is terrible. I will post online after speaking to my local store.

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David -
April 26, 2015
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Everyone, I am on hold with the "work-around" department at Sears. They are taking my information and are saying the specific part will be replaced and installed at no additional charge. Stay tuned!

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David -
April 29, 2015
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I purchased the same grill 148.16154211. Same result - 2 years bottom has rusted out of the pan. Big disappointment, the grill I had before this one lasted 15 years, and the grates rusted out before the pan. Hope they do fix these, sounds like they should be recalled.

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Alan -
May 08, 2015
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I to have the same grill. I took the cover off of it a month ago and noticed that the entire inside was rotted away. I immediately called customer service w sears and was told it wasn't covered I didn't stop there being that I had only used my grill maybe 50 times at most I called in again. After several dozen calls into every department someone told me that there was a recall on the inner burners. I then got bounced around several dozen times more and was told someone would come to my house and look at it. Another week or two went by and no one came. When I spoke to someone as to why, they said the third party refused the job. I pitched a fit and someone then ordered me what I thought was the right part. Well the part came in today only to find out that it was the grease tray and not the whole bottom like I was told. Tomorrow first thing I am going to sears and not leaving until I walk out with a new one or my money back. This is ridiculous!!! How does something not even 2 yes old and hardly used rot away from the inside. Let someone tell me that is was from abuse cause I'll go off on them. I keep it covered, waxed and cleaned all year long Oh by the way customer service SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! They bounced me around tonight for over an hour and then when I was transferred to right department, they were closed. I'm so over it

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jamie -
May 15, 2015
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I to have the same grill. I took the cover off of it a month ago and noticed that the entire inside was rotted away. I immediately called customer service w sears and was told it wasn't covered I didn't stop there being that I had only used my grill maybe 50 times at most I called in again. After several dozen calls into every department someone told me that there was a recall on the inner burners. I then got bounced around several dozen times more and was told someone would come to my house and look at it. Another week or two went by and no one came. When I spoke to someone as to why, they said the third party refused the job. I pitched a fit and someone then ordered me what I thought was the right part. Well the part came in today only to find out that it was the grease tray and not the whole bottom like I was told. Tomorrow first thing I am going to sears and not leaving until I walk out with a new one or my money back. This is ridiculous!!! How does something not even 2 yes old and hardly used rot away from the inside. Let someone tell me that is was from abuse cause I'll go off on them. I keep it covered, waxed and cleaned all year long Oh by the way customer service SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! They bounced me around tonight for over an hour and then when I was transferred to right department, they were closed. I'm so over it

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jamie -
May 15, 2015
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Well, A simple Google search shows that some people have went to their local news, because of the run around with Sears. Sears should be doing a recall on this firebox tray. 2 years is way 2 soon for a tray that Seperates the burners from the LP tank to fail and crumble. A simple ability to order just the tray would be a good solution. But $400.00 for a entire firebox when the grill was $400 ($300 on sale)???

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Michael -
May 26, 2015
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replace firebox bottom kenmore grill model #148.23683310 148.23683310

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Thank you for choosing Sears Parts Direct. I will be more than happy to help with your grill. Upon researching model 148.23683310; the firebox on this grill is sold as an assembly that includes the bottom panel on the firebox, this part is not sold separate. I have posted a link of the firebox #19 on the diagram linked to view the link click here.

I trust this information will help you, we appreciate your business thank for choosing Sears.

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CarlosZ -
Sears Technician
April 12, 2015
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that's the whole box? $380!! it's same price I paid for the whole grill...perhaps you made a mistake?? my unit is rusted threw...kept covered and all during the whole winter and summer. I'd say this is a manufacturers defect. It's not meant to be a disposal unit! Not only disappointed but feel robbed!

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trapland -
May 23, 2015
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Im also looking to replace the bottom panel of the Firebox...Bit the part is not listed separately. Incredibly ridiculous that I need to buy entire firebox at $380, when everything works fine,,,other than bottom panel extremely brittle and breaking into pieces. Absolutely unacceptable...More people need to bring this to light and complaint to whatever complaint boards available. This is only my second summer with this grill..Come on SEARS/Kenmore stand by your product. Will definitely be sending my complaint to BBB and any other consumer association...DISGUSTED!!!

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CArlos -
June 13, 2015
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I have had grill for only 2 years, (lovingly maintained and covered) the firebox tray is completely rotted through and in pieces. Worst craftmanship I have ever seen. I would not even complain if i could buy the part (cheap peice of tin) for $20 bucks. Now I will have to make my own from sheet metal, last time we buy kenmore!

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cliff -
July 05, 2015
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I have the same problem. I also have only have the Grill for 2 years ((lovingly maintained and covered). Imagine my surprise this past 4 of July when i noticed that the firebox tray is completely rotted through and almost in pieces. This past 4th of July is the first time the grill has been put to use all year. Out the the 24 months that Ive own the grill I sure i have not used it over 25 times. Paint, stainless steel, aluminum frame like new - but firebox drip tray has completely deteriorated. I usually buy another gas grill brand but i decided to give Kenmore brand a try - due to the possible availability of parts for replacement. I was sort shocked when i realized that the part could not be separated from the firebox and could not purchased separately. I intend to complain to sears, the local media and to whoever will listen.

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Tommy -
July 06, 2015
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i guess one thing we can all do is share this conversation via facebook and tweets as shown and suggest in the text on the right

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Tommy -
July 06, 2015
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This is total $hit that you can not buy this simple pc of metal / cheap tin bottom separately!!! IT is not a molded pc. it is a screwed in pc. This has to be the worst case of part replacement ever. $380 for the whole firebox!! come on!!! just let us buy the bottom panel!! fix this SEARS. I will need a intelligent response!

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brad -
July 14, 2015
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I am in the same situation. The grill is 2 years old. We could not get it to start and when we took out the burners we saw it was rotting thru the bottom. Not as bad as photos I've seen on other sites but it's heading in that direction. I called the 800 # and was told model 148.23683310 is not one of the models that they are replacing defective fireboxes. Really...? According to other websites this model number is defective like the models they are replacing. I have a call into a regional Manager (when I get a name I will post it along with their phone #) maybe this can be taken care of without attorneys(class action suit?) being involved. I can't understand how Sears can know that this is happening and will do nothing about it. I supposed when someone gets hurt they'll have to take care of it but at what expense..? Or better yet maybe the person who made the decision would like to swap grills. I'll take theirs home and they can take mine and fire it up...good luck.

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ROBERT -
July 15, 2015
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Same exact problem here. Grill is under two years old, the bottom is totally rotted through. I went into the local Sears to look at the newer Kenmore grills and the updated model has a separate grease tray, under $15 for the part. But on this model you have to buy the entire box. You would think they could come up with a replacement for the grill bottom that didn't require replacing the entire box - but either way I agree with the other commenters that this is seriously defective and it's too bad Sears won't stand behind this product. Next time, Weber grills all the way. Shame on me for going cheap. No wonder Sears is going down the toilet. So much for a once-great American Company.

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Amy -
August 08, 2015
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We bought this grill April 2013 and have the same problem. I will remember to go on this site and read comments before I buy another Kenmore grill. We are going to complain to Sears and then buy a good grill (not from Sears).

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phil Garcia -
August 14, 2015
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